Jason Hartman starts the show looking at a glaring statistic, 2 million people are shopping for a home according to Zillow. He talks about how this further indicates his predictions of on-going mass migration. In the interview segment of the show, he hosts Dr. Steve Turley, NY Times bestselling author of many books including, The New Nationalism. Dr. Turley explains cultural Marxism and how modern intellectual theory has hindered the teachings of conversation. He ends with a discussion on the Monologue Media versus the Dialogue Media.

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Jason Hartman 0:53
Hey everybody, welcome to episode number 15 51,558. You know what that means? Regular listeners. That means this is a 10th episode show, where we discuss something of general interest. And today, we’re going to discuss a serious topic, but something of general interest, not about real estate. But in the intro, we’ve got a lot of good investing in real estate stuff coming up, time permitting. I’m going to go through some good visuals and slides here with you in just a moment. But today we’ll be talking about the intellectual dark web. And that sounds kind of ominous, doesn’t it? It should, because many have noticed and argued that is the era in which we are living in today. In an era when debate is squelched. And you know, people, just so many of them seem to lack basic, critical thinking skills, but you can’t blame them. Why? Why can’t you blame them because Look at our school system. I mean, is it teaching any critical thinking skills? Of course not? Of course not. So let’s dive in here. Okay, so I’m going to blow up the screen. And, and this by the way, if you’re listening on audio, this is also on video available on our YouTube channel as well. So I and I will have some visual aids. I’ll try to explain them to you if you’re listening on audio only. And if you’re on video, of course, please comment below and like and subscribe. We read all of your comments. I gotta tell you, some of these people that comment I’m sure it’s not a view. They make the wackiest comments, crazy stuff, isn’t it? If you search around the internet for any amount of time, you know, that’s true. There’s a lot of people that just make some just odd comments, frankly, read below. You’ll see them, I’m sure and they make some comments below. We love your questions. And by the way, one of the questions we got recently was from Chung Chung pack, I believe I’m pronouncing that correctly. It was a good question, john. So thank you for submitting this question to us at Jason Hartman comm slash ask, that’s Jason hartman.com slash ask. And that question is, how can I see a list of linear of Jason’s linear real estate markets? Well, if I were to make a list of that, it would be very, very long. Because the vast majority of the world is a linear market. Most markets are linear. And then some markets are hybrid, and a small number of markets, but they just happen to be the ones you always hear about are cyclical markets. So better to do this by the process of elimination. Right? Then to do it by looking at a list of linear markets, just know that almost everything else is linear. But here’s the trick. Here’s a way you can easily tell which market is which. If a market is a very expensive market, if it has very high land values, that will always be a cyclical market. I cannot think of any exceptions to that. So when we look around the world, cyclical markets are, you know, the expensive California cities San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Seattle, Vancouver, Canada. And then we look to the east and we see the expensive Northeastern markets New York, Washington, DC, some areas of Connecticut, Boston, and then South Florida where I live we see Miami, Palm Beach, cyclical markets, okay. Around the world we see Dubai, Paris, London, Hong Kong, you know, all of the there are many others, right? But you get the idea of the trophy cities of the world. Are they expensive, cyclical markets, the hybrid markets are places like Denver and Austin and Phoenix, those are hybrid, even Atlanta now would be considered a hybrid market and I must tell you We have properties in Atlanta, a hybrid market, but many would consider to be hybrid. That makes sense. The day you buy them. So go to Jason hartman.com for more info on those. But john, that is a great question. Thank you for asking it. Any other questions? Leave a comment below, or go to Jason hartman.com slash ask and ask your questions. Okay, looking at the slides here. I want to go over a few things with you. Number one in our empowered investor network, inner circle group, which is like a social platform. David posted two great things and thank you for these, David. We were just having a conversation thread about big cities and the problems they’re in the defunding police, the civil unrest, family unit under attack. Everyone’s just leaving these big cities. People have realized they don’t need them anymore. And then he says at the bottom here, he says, just as Jason predicted in February, very early on in the game, yes. I was the first person I No have to make that prediction that the big cities would just just be over and people would flee them. As soon as the lockdowns lifted and by golly, I was right. Thank you for recognizing that David, David’s a great client of ours. You’ve heard him on the show before. Thank you for the comment, David. Okay, so this is an interesting chart that Patrick posted in the empowered investor, inner circle group. And by the way, like I’ve said a few times, we will be inviting everybody to this group. Soon. We’re just getting together a little webinar to present it. Of course, we invited all the people from meet the Masters to the group. This chart is really fascinating, Patrick, so thank you for it. It basically shows you the migration from the urban core areas, the cities, the high density areas, to the Sunbelt. And let’s blow this chart up and take a look at it. It’s pretty fascinating. There’s a lot of data here on a future episode when we have a little more time. We’ll probably dig into this one a little deeper. But generally speaking, it shows you what if you’ve been listening to my show for any length of time, you already know the answer, right. But this just reaffirms that, you know, people are moving to the areas with the highest net in migration. And by the way, this is going to get even more pronounced as the statistics come in, next year. And remember, we are in a census here, folks, every 10 years is the census. And we haven’t heard much about it with with COVID and all the stuff going on, but we are actually going to census here, right? So wait until the census is compiled, and you’re gonna see all of this become even more pronounced. So it’s, it’s pretty darn amazing. And then, where are people leaving? Well, the obvious culprits right? The business unfriendly places, the places where government is intruding on your life, the places with high taxes. With high crime with high numbers of idiots, okay, high numbers of idiots. One of them is my hometown. It’s number one, Los Angeles, California. I grew up in LA. And people are, are fleeing LA, high cost of living. Really just where is the appeal of these places? A place like Los Angeles is riding on a reputation that hasn’t been there since 1990. And before and even then, in the 80s it was riding on reputation it earned in the 60s in the 70s. Remember all those great old movies and TV shows that glamorized LA and Southern California and the beaches? Remember the show, Gidget that was before my time but hey, I did see some reruns of it. When I was a kid, and look it up, look up Gidget, and just see how how California in general was portrayed back then it’s really fascinating, you know, the Beach Boys and all this stuff and now it’s you know, it’s it’s just just hasn’t been there in decades. And all it’s done is it’s just become worse and worse. But you know, hey, it’s not just there. People are leaving Miami Dade right south of me. So you know, people are obviously leaving New York, Santa Clara, California and Fairfax Virginia and, and you ain’t seen nothing yet folks. Remember, this chart is automatically out of date. Because we don’t have the census complete yet. The data is not compiled yet. It will only become more and more pronounced. Now on Thursday’s episode, I talked to you about this. This is this is huge. This is a big deal, folks. This is a big deal. What I’m telling you here, it’s a big deal. You ready?

Jason Hartman 9:55
Pay attention to this one, because it’s a big deal. I think I made my point. So zero Lowe says that nearly 2 million renters can become homeowners, thanks to telecommuting, thanks to remote working. And so think about it. What this means is these people that were renting in overpriced place in San Francisco, or New York City, or LA, guess what they discovered? And guess what their employers discovered a wonderful thing. You know, there’s a lot of good news coming out of this pandemic of covid 1984. Oh, I’m sure I’m gonna get some hate comments, comment below. Make your hate comments. I’ll even take hate. Okay, and who do foil hat conspiracy theorists Great. So out of the pandemic out of COVID-19 84. So, you know, some of the good things that come come out of it creative destruction, people have realized they can live anywhere they want. They don’t need to live in an expensive overpriced city with So on lockdown, it’s no fun to live in, where your danger of crime and civil unrest and and catching a virus are terrible. You don’t need to live in those places you can move to the burbs, the places where our people invest, and you can move to these places and you can buy a house. And that’s going to push up prices in all those markets for all of our investors. A lot of you been buying through our network for the past 15 1617 years. And Congratulations, congratulations. Hip Hip radio. So yeah, 2 million renters could become homeowners, and that’ll push up the prices. And folks don’t worry about it. These weren’t your renters, okay. These were never your renters that were renting. The properties you purchase through our network. These were the people renting a place that was 600 square feet in New York or San Francisco or LA for between 30 540 $500 a month. That’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. Okay, Jason, lighten up on the sound effects. It’s corny, a little bit of Courtney’s entertaining, but not too much, right? I get it. Anyway. So these were not your renters. You know, currently the look at the article, currently priced out renter households made up 4.5% of all renter households in the US. And those households now have the opportunity to live in a more affordable market because they don’t need to commute to work. telling you this is this is really good news for us. The article goes on to say for example, 22% of renters in San Francisco are priced out Their own metro area, but could afford monthly payments in a typical starter home in the US at only $725 a month. Zillow said this is because monthly payments on a typical starter home in San Francisco are at least seven times higher. At $5,181.

Jason Hartman 13:35
The Great American move is underway. The mass migration to the suburbs is underway. The suburbs are the in thing. I called it in 2012. The rise of the suburbs not because of covid 1984 because I didn’t know that was coming. I just knew that those cities are too darn expensive. The autonomous car was coming coming our way it’s not quite here yet. It’s it’s taken a little longer than expected but it’s still coming. Okay, it’s still coming. That’s really amazing. starter owns in some cities such as Minneapolis who would want to live there civil unrest Ville. But Phoenix that’s a great city. Denver’s a great city I like both of those places are more affordable than in larger metro areas. in Denver. Zillow says starter homes in the city are more affordable than in the metro area. But even those priced out of the metro 14.5% of renter households could afford a typical starter home somewhere else in the United States. Now remember, Minneapolis, Denver, Phoenix, those are all hybrid markets. They’re in between linear and cyclical. They’re markets that don’t make sense to invest in now. But I tell you years ago, our clients bought a lot of properties through our network in Phoenix and Denver. And congratulations, they made a fortune in those markets. So he did very well. Okay. Well, one more thing, since we’re talking about the intellectual dark web today with our guests, is this one. There’s a lot in the news about Facebook, and evil Google. And these big tech companies abusing their power Amazon in different ways, using its power. It’s really sad. And it’s got to end antitrust law, education, legislation, breaking these companies up finding these companies, they have been ripping off the world for way too long, not just ripping them off money wise, but just ripping them off in many other ways. For way, way too long. You know, look at this one. This is Robert, grab oil. How do you say that last name Robert, with the mercatus Center at the George at George Mason Mason University. We’ve had some guests with George Mason on the show before and mercatus Center as well. Specifically, an open letter on the political discourse to my Facebook friends, and you know, the Facebook censorship. It’s just ridiculous, this has got to end. It is one of the biggest issues of our time. And regulating these companies maybe like under common carrier laws, like the phone company, the phone company doesn’t get to shut down your Twitter account, if they don’t like what you say, on the phone, because as long as you pay for it, you have the right to have phone service. It should be that way with these big disgusting social media platforms, Facebook, and Google, not really social media, per se, but they control what we see. All these companies do. It’s absolutely, absolutely scary. So that is part of the topic with our 10th episode guest today, where we talk about something of general interest, we’re going to talk about the intellectual dark web. And if you need us reach out Jason hartman.com. In the United States, you can call us at one 800 Hartman and let’s get to our guests. It’s my pleasure to welcome Dr. Steve Turley to the show. He is an internationally recognized scholar, speaker and author of so many books, about 20 of them give or take. He’s one of the most exciting voices in today’s intellectual dark web. He has a very popular YouTube channel with over 400,000 subscribers, New York Times bestselling author, again, many, many books, including the new nationalism, how the populist right is defeating globalism and awakening a new political order. Obviously, we’ve seen this spread around the world. And, and certainly in the US, with another election coming up. I think there’s a lot to talk about civil unrest, all kinds of crazy stuff. Steve, welcome. How are you?

Dr. Steve Turley2 17:44
I’m great. Jason, thanks so much for having me. It’s wonderful. Thank you.

Jason Hartman 17:48
It’s good to have you and you’re coming to us from Delaware. Is that correct?

Dr. Steve Turley2 17:51
Yeah, right. That’s I’m through no fault of my own. I like to say,

Jason Hartman 17:55
hey, it’s a desirable business climate, that’s for sure.

Dr. Steve Turley 17:58
That’s true where the corporate capital of the world That’s right.

Jason Hartman 18:01
Absolutely more more corporations squeeze into that tiny state.

Dr. Steve Turley 18:07
Also Nevada, I believe, right.

Jason Hartman 18:09
now that are you in Nevada, bro. Yeah, there’s a couple others. But you know, you’ve also got a book with another interesting title, the abolition of sanity. And, you know, I think nowadays it is. It is really amazing. First of all, maybe I’ll comment, just the lack of critical thinking ability among the populace. You see reporters stick a microphone in someone’s face, and you kind of can’t believe it. I mean, didn’t didn’t these people go to school, they have no sense of history. I mean, it’s just really amazing. Is that part of the new nationalism movement?

Dr. Steve Turley 18:42
Yeah. In terms of the the backlash against that? Absolutely. One of the one of the major developments over the last three decades has been the comeback of what’s called classical education. So this is the education of our founding fathers. It really was the education of Western civilization for a good 1500 years. In its Christian form, it goes back 2500 years in its Athenian form, its Roman form, technically known as Pi Day if we use the word for pediatrician, you know, how do you raise a child? Right And back then they believe that critical thinking was logic was essential to understanding the world. One, there was actually a stage in your education known as dialectics and, and this term is de electio to speak back and forth, to be able to listen to each other and to be able to converse with each other to converse Co. We’ve lost that that’s died over the last few decades, because largely through a lot of modern educational theory, that’s more or less been kind of pushed away by a growing movement of home schoolers or these classical schools and the like, who are saying, you know what, let’s go back to those basics. Let’s go back to some critical thinking. So that we can actually Talk to each other again and think soberly about life.

Jason Hartman 20:05
Think all the open minded people on these college campuses, would you think they would like this idea? Right and debate would be this healthy thing? They just squash debate, it seems like

Dr. Steve Turley 20:18
absolutely yeah. debates is, is just from this vantage point what you’re talking about on a college campus, it’s just another expression of white supremacy. Unfortunately, that’s how people think today, it started in the 1960s with what’s called the multicultural movement, and it really came out of the Frankfurt School they came out during World War Two, there were a bunch of very radical left wing Marxists who ended up at Columbia University and a number of other universities and they started teaching the idea that Western civilization is inherently oppressive, and they try to form actively a coalition of the oppressed. So it would be a multicultural coalition. That would point out all the sins of Western civilization. So they got rid of the classical liberal arts canon, liberal in the good sense of, you know, liberating the mind to read the good books and understand good music, poetry and the like. This is again, this is the world of giving your channels is the world of Adam Smith and classical economics and the like. And they got rid of all of that and instead replaced it with really a radically sort of cultural Marxist curriculum. And I think in many ways, we’re, we’re reaping the whirlwind of that.

Jason Hartman 21:33
Okay, we are but tie in a couple things for us. You know, there’s the Frankfurt School. There’s this Cultural Marxism concept that, you know, we’re now hearing more and more about, and then there’s the Christian philosophy of education, I guess, and, you know, then the Fenian before that, as you mentioned, but kind of tie some of these things together, what do they have to do with each other, if you will, and then and then of course, Marxism, you know, so How did we get from Western society is bad? Okay. Marxism would oppose that. That’s obvious. Where did the other factors come in, in the Frankfurt School and and then what is what, what specifically is Cultural Marxism? Yeah, who says we usually people think of Marx as an economist? Of course. Right? Right.

Dr. Steve Turley 22:19
Right. You got it. So there’s a change there. All right, let’s see how, let’s see how we can boil all that down.

Jason Hartman 22:25
let’s unpack these.

Dr. Steve Turley 22:27
Let’s unpack that show. It’s great. Let’s start with that sort of classical Western civilization, Christian education. Basically, the classical conception of the educator in mind when I say classical, I’m talking about Athens, Jerusalem, Rome, you know, going all the way up to say like the 18th century, and the founding of our republic and all that good stuff. The kind of education that marked our civilization was one that centered on what we call wisdom and virtue. So wisdom was understanding Divine meaning and purpose in the world. It generally was a Christian theistic conception, but it was it could be very, it could be translated to Jewish terms, Islamic terms Hindu terms, because all forms of education up to about the 18th century believe the world was filled with divine meaning and purpose which provided the pattern for how we ought to live our lives. And if we conform our lives, to that divine meaning and purpose, we’ve cultivated what’s called virtue within our ourselves. And we line up that virtue with wisdom, wisdom is understanding that divine meaning and purpose, the framers refer to it in the in the Declaration of Independence, talking about nature and nature’s God, We hold these truths to be self evident that, that a rational mind can see that human person has innate innate dignity and worth that the world has a moral obligation embedded within it, and we’re supposed to conform our laws into harmonious relationship with that divine And purpose and our curriculum, our school curriculum were mediators to facilitate that harmonious relationship. And so the basic characteristic of that worldview was a radical continuity of time to be a conservative for lack of a better term because I think this kind of education was conservative. To be conservative, in the broadest sense of the term was to be a traditionalist, and a traditionalist is one who believe that there are certain beliefs, ideas and practices of the past that are indispensable to our human flourishing in the present and the future. So you see this lovely continuity between past present and future it’s not like we’re traditionalist unnecessarily stuck in the mud and just living in the past. I’m sure that can happen. But conservatism and traditionalism has the future every bit as much in view as the past but what they do as they see a continuity going on there. What happens in the 18th century is very fast. Fascinating, it’s in Europe, it’s going on in Europe, and it’s called the Enlightenment we all know it. And what came out of the Enlightenment however was this notion of modernity and and the modern world

Jason Hartman 25:13
so 18 hundred’s

Dr. Steve Turley 25:15
so we’re talking 18. Yeah. So is there 18th century so we’re targeting 18th, the 1700s 1800s in the life technically,

Jason Hartman 25:23
who was the who was the sort of person behind this?

Dr. Steve Turley 25:27
And oh my so many. So Emmanuel Kant would be a big one, David Hume, the Scottish philosopher be another. And what is so characteristic about this movement is they believed that they could redefine knowledge in such a way that excluded anything that couldn’t be scientifically verified. So what scholars think is the kind of the lasting inheritance of the Enlightenment was the notion that scientific rationalism was really the one size fits all way of understanding reality. And if you had anything other than something scientifically rational, then it’s superstitious, it’s personal. You know, it’s tribalistic, it’s Savage, it certainly doesn’t belong in a new vision of civilized man. So you ended up having this idea of a modern world as open against a pre modern world that then got relabeled as the Dark Ages as going against the enlightenment. And so what you’ll notice there, what’s so fascinating is in contrast to the way we did Western civilization for all those centuries, now you’re seeing the radical disruption in history. So now, history, anything prior to this sort of, I like to call it the first great awakening, you know, the first verse, yeah, right. The first kind of the this enlightenment this way we woke now to a whole new way of looking at the world has rendered everything else prior to In the past, as undesirable, it has it no longer has any relevance to what we’re doing today because scientific rationalism is a one size fits all way of understanding the world that gives birth then eventually to a new education system that gets highly influenced by Marx. Because what Marx says is he’s the 19th century outworking par excellence of that view, anything that preceded the modern world is tainted, it’s bigoted, it’s filled with all kinds of inequities and all kinds of ways people are abused in terms of you know, social power and the like.

Jason Hartman 27:42
So, these modernists then, I mean, would it be fair to call the modernists?

Dr. Steve Turley 27:47

Jason Hartman 27:48
um, they would downplay the role of philosophy, and they would downplay the role of the Magna Carta, I guess. Yeah. And trial by jury. And all of these great things these evil white religious men Davis

Dr. Steve Turley 28:05
that’s right you got it because again anything prior to the great awakening and it happens first in the 18th century nonsense is now deemed to be it you know inescapably tainted with all kinds of superstitions and social evils in the light. It This is where you get the idea that the age of religion is a world of just war and savagery and burning witches and all that, where’s the age of reason is, you know, Star Trek, you know, the The Final Frontier and we’re all going to find this wonderful universal harmony through the use of reason. Now, again, there’s wonderful things that come out of this and they’re not terribly I like antibiotics, or whatever it happens to be, you know, it’s a super travel and being able to visit places in the world that you and I were talking with you, you spanned the world in a way that no human being could have done Just really in the end just 100 years ago.

Jason Hartman 29:02
So it seems it seems the way you’re presenting it. It’s almost hard to debate one of these modernists, because who could deny the value of science? Science is very valuable? we all appreciate science. How do you say no to that?

Dr. Steve Turley 29:18
It’s a it’s a fantastic question. And that’s exactly what happened in the 1970s. It’s really interesting. And this is primarily through a philosopher named Francois leotard in a publication it from 1979, called the post modern condition. what he found was when he surveyed Western populations, on the issue of Do you believe scientific rationalism is the one true way of understanding the world. People started denying it. They said, No, no, that that’s impossible. And when he asked why, when he probed, he found that there was extraordinary distance. With World War One World War Two, Vietnam and the like, remember, the 20th century was supposed to be the century of unparalleled progress and international harmony based on scientific reason. It ended up being the bloodiest century in the history of humanity. And then we had a cold war where we could, you know, blow the world up several times. So, but

Jason Hartman 30:21
they would blame conservatives for that.

Dr. Steve Turley 30:24
Sure, sure. And granted, they may, but unfortunately, they couldn’t persuade the world’s populations, the world’s population actually ended up blaming modernity. They blame the idea of a one size fits all political and economic and knowledge system for all people, times and places. We went into the 19th century with that confidence, I mean, in many ways that was propelling a lot of the colonialism of the 18th century. There’s a one size fits all civilizational system for all the savages of the world, while by the end into the 20th century, we just don’t believe that anymore. And so we’ve collapsed in something called post modernism, or I should say, but dirty is collapsed into okay. Before you before you move on to that, it doesn’t sound like that would equate with the New World Order concept or the globalist concept. Very good. So the globe right, you’re absolutely right. So the globalist vision is still the modernist vision so that to understand this insane time we’re living and trying to make sense of it. But we understand right now is we’ve got a clash and the clash and that and people like Sam Huntington, you know, the clash of civilizations thesis back in 1992. If you got if your listeners are familiar with it’s very fascinating. So Francis Fukuyama from my old alma mater, Johns Hopkins. He was coming out after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union and he declared at the end of history, and that thesis was we finally arrived to the one size fits all political and economic system for all people times and places not Western liberalism. Its chief competitor, Soviet communism collapsed. Instead, it had another competitor, the Nazi fascism that died in the war

Jason Hartman 32:13
zones. Okay, so far,

Dr. Steve Turley 32:15
so far. And then Samuel Huntington comes in right around the same time of Harvard. And he says, Not so fast, Francis, not so fast. What happened to the Soviet Union and its breakup and it’s an A Russia lost a third of its nationhood in Oh, literally overnight. We had 35 countries added to the world map since 1991. And just this balkanization that we saw happen as a result of Samuel Huntington said, that’s what’s going to happen to the world. The world is breaking up. And it’s not because liberal democracy one it’s because modernity lost and the Soviet Union and liberal democracy, Western liberal democracy, were both rooted In this conception that there’s a one size fits all political economic system for all people times and places and Nazi fascist had their version it died in the war, then you have the Cold War and the standoff between two different versions of it. One collapsing on Christmas Day 1991. And Samuel Huntington said, Just wait, the EU will begin to collapse and or even the United States may begin to balkanize because so much of our structures, our political and economic structures are based on this 18th century, enlightenment modernity. And it seems that many respects of what’s happening but

Jason Hartman 33:41
in a way that seems more democratic, because the ability for a state in the US for example, to secede from the union, if they don’t like the way it’s run, you know, Texas can go and that you know, like I’ve said many times if, if Texas were to leave and probably become the Hong Kong The United States in the sense that it’d be this economic powerhouse, because it’s a business friendly place, or at least it used to be, everything’s falling apart. But even Texas because all the Californians have moved there. Right. Right. So,

Dr. Steve Turley 34:15
right, they’re very upset about that, too. I know, I know, lots of taxes. But yeah, you’ve got it. That’s one of the key differences about the new nationalism. Then the nationalisms of the past.

Jason Hartman 34:26
I mean, I’m like, I’m not a fan of the EU. I don’t think that I think that’s a failed experiment from the beginning. You know, you’ve got slacker countries, if you will, with productive countries. And it’s like a welfare state, you know, they don’t want to pull the weight of the slackers that you know, want to take a siesta every day or retire at 48 years old. That just doesn’t work. And he and he can’t put all these currency, you know, make us all one currency. I mean, it’s just impossible.

Dr. Steve Turley 34:54
Yeah, you’re articulating the argument of Nigel Farage in 2016, and when June 2018 Third, more Brits came out and voted to leave the EU than had ever voted for a British politician in history,

Jason Hartman 35:07
right? So we’re with them. So that’s a nationalist concept and

Dr. Steve Turley 35:11
Nash assessment.

Jason Hartman 35:12
And by the way, I was all for Brexit right there. On Facebook. I wrote, you know, when it happened, congratulations, Britain got their independence. We got her 240 years ago or whatever. Now they got theirs. And that was true taxation without representation. Yes, yeah.

Dr. Steve Turley 35:27
Oh, absolutely. No, you got it. You’d

Jason Hartman 35:30
be agreeing with a modernist thenDr. Steve Turley 35:32
you’d be agreeing with the post modernists. So the modernist is the EU. Modern is the one size fits all. mundanity is dead, but dirty is dead. That’s what Sam Huntington’s thesis is majority has died in the hearts and minds of most people. We still live under its structures, but our sentiments or inclinations, or dispositions are postmodern. I see it with my students all the time. No one I can tell you, there’s no I can’t remember a single student in the last 10 years. ever came into my classroom says, yep, there’s only one there’s a one size fits all political, economic and meaning system for all peoples times and places. Everyone’s deferring back to culture, custom, tradition, identity and the light. And that’s post modernity. And so postmodern is breaking up modernist structures, and it can be good to be really neat stuff, ie Brexit and the like. Or it could also end up in a lot of conflict like we saw in the balkanization situation in the late 90s. And two, in the Balkans and the Balkans

Dr. Steve Turley 36:35
itself. Yeah, properly.

Jason Hartman 36:37
Talking about balkanization like a concept,

Dr. Steve Turley 36:39
the ball so I’m drawing it from the geography to the kind of balkanization we may be seeing here in the United States. We talked about like a tech set, but really what’s going on it seems to me is is it’s kind of an ethno, tribalist, sort of break up what’s going on here. So if the world Going postmodern, then really in the end, you only have two choices. It’s very interesting, either where you go back to the our sense of national sovereignty like Brexit did, and the way President Trump was arguing, then candidate Donald Trump was arguing 2016 where we’re going to reassert our border security, our economic security, right bringing manufacturing jobs back home in the life and our cultural security celebrating our nation’s cultures, customs traditions, either we’re gonna go there as overt against some kind of globalist, you know, eu un kind of structure, or we could break up even further into what are called ethno nationalism or tribal isms. And that’s really seems to be to be the new battle line. So that’s forming in a postmodern world. And I think that’s how I understand Black Lives Matter movement and baraza and a number of other movements

Jason Hartman 37:54
that, you know, there’s only one group that doesn’t have representation in this era. And that is Yours truly, yeah.

Dr. Steve Turley 38:01
The white male. Yeah, yes. And Jason that goes back, interestingly enough to the Frankfurt School because you had someone like Herbert Marcuse, who wrote his work on tolerance. And you can read it online. It’s from the 1960s. Most scholars think it’s the beginning of political correctness. It’s a treatise for political correctness. And he said, the only way you’re going to overthrow the dominant Western culture is creating that coalition of minorities we were talking about, but he knew that coalition of minorities have nothing to do with each other. So they needed a common enemy. And for him, the common enemy was the white male. And that’s why white supremacism and male patriarchy are blamed for every sin under the sun. So that’s, that’s how it sort of ties together there.

Jason Hartman 38:46
So you so you really think I mean, as much as we’ve got this diversity training and multiculturalism and these mass immigration movements into, you know, European countries into the US, of course, That’s actually backfiring. Or is there’s, I mean, these are cross currents. So it’s complicated, of course. But I mean, you look at what’s happened in Sweden and it’s a disaster, the crime rate is soared. And you know, I know I’m going to get some email from some person that doesn’t understand that doesn’t really look at the Real News. That doesn’t follow Peter Sweden on Twitter for example, right? Yeah, that theater Oh, and just doesn’t know anything. Because a lot of this stuff. It’s amazing how a lot of this stuff just is not reported. You know, these car burnings, torching cars in certain areas of outside of Paris or in Paris suburbs. You know, what’s going on in Sweden, what’s going on in a lot of these places? It’s just not reported. It’s amazing how powerful this force is like, everything you said is the opposite of what the globalist want to do. super powerful people like the George Soros types of the world. You know, and maybe the Rockefellers and, you know, whoever else they want to, you know and un agenda 21 they want to force everybody together. And they want to have a one world currency and a one world government, because it’s just a lot easier to manage Exactly. As long as they were at the top of the, you know, the structure great for them. But

Dr. Steve Turley 40:18
yeah, it’s it’s the ultimate Corporation. It’s the ultimate globalist Corporation they’re all I mean, all globalist This is it’s interesting cuz you this ties into the difference between economic Marxism and Cultural Marxism. The fundamental difference between the two at one level is cultural Marxists made their peace with the economy. They made their peace with money. They’re, they’re all billionaires today, the Brazilian philosopher a lot of the camaleon loves to point that out. He said, you look at the the top richest people in the world, and they’re virtually all left wing liberals. They’re virtually all of it. I mean, I think I just read the other day of Jeff Bezos, ex wife and just given all these Billions of dollars to get

Jason Hartman 41:02
11 point 7 billion a day. Mackenzie now Mackenzie Scott is seemingly a lot more generous than her ex husband. It’s actually really quite, quite shocking. How stingy Jeff Bezos see Oh, wow. And what a Scrooge. He seems to be. I mean, listen, I don’t know the guy, obviously. But, you know, just from what you can see in the world, I mean, it took them forever to start a foundation and enlist them, you know, he doesn’t have to give any of his money away. Okay. I’m just saying, comparatively, the fact that, you know, he wouldn’t give people $15 an hour wages, the working conditions are not so great by any means. People, you know, there’s been a suicide at his company. I mean, you know, with with a note that this was the reason I can’t stand the pressure of working in Amazon, you know, and of course, he’s built a great company. I mean, you know, the shirt. But when you’re that rich, don’t you have a little obligation to give back, just more We’d speak

Dr. Steve Turley 42:00
in western writing right from a vantage point of Western civilization too much is given much is required. Absolutely.

Jason Hartman 42:06
And all of these people, you know, they spout all these liberal ideas but yet they they have all these tax schemes where they pay no tax. You know, they’ve got their they’ve got one entity in Amsterdam and another in Ireland and, you know, they pull in all this money sucking it out of the of the economy that gives them all their money. It’s completely ridiculous. I mean, Amazon is subsidized by the post office, you know, we’re all paying for their business.

Dr. Steve Turley 42:34
You got it. You got.

Jason Hartman 42:35
that internet that our government developed,

Dr. Steve Turley 42:38
and that that’s the elite this the political elite. They factor in big time with this. We’re talking earlier about the yellow vest uprising in France. That’s, that’s really what’s pushing it. What’s one of the reasons why the republicans have been able to do so well over the last few years. Again, Republican shouldn’t even exist as a party if you think it through, especially as a nationalist party. If if the world was as woke as our media tries to constantly present it as but and again remember, this is a corporatist globalist media. They’re they’re very much part

Jason Hartman 43:10
of this Soros media.

Dr. Steve Turley 43:12
Exactly. So they’re they’re only going to, they’re only going to put forward a pro globalist vision of the world. But what we’re finding is that there is a massive backlash against that, particularly among white workers, white working men. Without college degrees, they came out and voted for Trump at levels we’ve never seen before. So you had almost 200 counties and Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, the so called blue wall that voted Democrat, the Democratic presidential candidate in every single election since the 1980s. turned around and vote by a 20 point margin for for Trump. This is we’re seeing the same thing in Europe, we’re finding that it’s the white working class that tends to be voting for the nationalist Populist Party. defected from the left labor in Britain does not have Labour’s constituency anymore. Post Brexit. They all defected over to the Conservative Party or the Brexit really the group?

Jason Hartman 44:11
Well, the two groups that need to defect from the left are African American community and the Hispanic American community. I mean, the democrats are screwing those two groups. I mean, it’s terrible, what they’ve done, they’ve just just ruined you know, entire demographic cohorts. It’s unbelievable. That’s one of the things that is another thing you know, you’re getting the message out in this kind of media environment is almost impossible.

Dr. Steve Turley 44:39
Sure, sure. But the old media is doing a fantastic job. I think the network society, scholars like Manuel castells and yon van de these very interesting scholars, they they’re scholars of the internet and they are fascinated by how the flattening Out of information. So it’s no longer centered, you know, CNN headquarters in Atlanta, for example, or at the New York Times, it’s all been flattened out so that you can have citizen journalists, just a kid with this camcorder, you know, running around and, and changing the world in many respects, that that has that has redefined news and especially in social media. It has it you have to understand in 2016 of all the newspapers that endorsed are the presidential candidates to endorsed Trump, to the mainstream media had a monopoly against Trump, and he won and he didn’t just win. He’s the first Republican since 1988 to get over 300 electoral votes. So so there’s something going on there where the media every poll over the last 20 years shows that the media’s trustworthiness has imploded.

Jason Hartman 45:58
Always terrible. Certain media isDr. Steve Turley 46:01
Don’t trust it anymore. They just and so they’re going to podcasts like yours channels like mine in the light to get a sense not just to get lectured to but to actually participate in the understanding of the discussion of our world and what’s really going on and that’s killing the the major mainstream Marxist media as I like to call

Jason Hartman 46:23
A couple things there. You know, I would love to believe that that is happening. However, unfortunately, the tech tyranny world living is trying its best to defeat that. You know, the disgusting Twitter organization, Facebook, Google, these are the scariest companies on Earth. They are censoring medical treatments, literally, literally, killing people or making people suffer. At least they are smoking, squelching speech. You know, jack Dorsey is threatening to shut down the president of the United States Twitter account. I mean, this is unbelievable. Yeah, it’s absolutely unbelievable.

Dr. Steve Turley 47:07
Now, but think about it, though. Jason, can you imagine if Trump opened up a parlor account, or you know, or a gab account or something like that he hasn’t done that yet. But

Jason Hartman 47:19
yeah, I don’t even know what parlor is but yeah,

Dr. Steve Turley 47:21
so these are these alternative kind of Twitter’s alternative Facebook’s and, and so for all taxes, as it’s referred to, as opposed to big tech. They’ll they’ll only be old tech for so long that they can they can end up popping literally overnight. And so it’ll be interesting to see. It is frustrating I do. I don’t ever I do find. And with my channel, I try to be a corrective to a lot of the pessimism that’s out there. So I swing over to the other side. But I do like to remind everyone we are in a clash between postmodern resurgent nationalist populism on the one hand against this, you know, this very stubborn hangover from modernity called globalism on the other and the clash can be very, very frustrating. But in the end, they, the majority upon which they base their lives has died, it’s rotted out, and if the roots have rotted out, it’s only a matter of time before the globalists. Oh

Jason Hartman 48:22
my god, I hope you’re right. But I’m not so sure. I mean, look at that. Look at the age demographics. I mean, you look at the the, I don’t know what the gen Z’s are like yet. I don’t think anybody knows for sure what they’re like Gen Z, Generation Z, the youngest group, but the Gen Y the millennials, we know what they’re like, Okay. And, you know, I’m a Gen X or so I’m a little older than a millennial. These people have been brainwashed by just crazy educational concepts. And, you know, they they just squelch free speech Everywhere you look, and they’re going to be running the world in a pretty short time.

Dr. Steve Turley 49:00
Yeah, okay, so, so good. So you had our excellent we’ll be good economists here. Right? All right. So you’re but you’re assuming a static profile for the rest of their lives. That’s not what we see. So Matthew Goodwin and and Roger eat well, in their study on nationalist populism there are British scholars was published in 2018. They found studies that that found that we become on average about one or 2% more conservative per year after age 21.

Jason Hartman 49:33
That’s happened before and maybe you’ll be right about that with millennials. Maybe they’ll grow up but I don’t know.

Dr. Steve Turley 49:40
Yeah, but I’ve seen it just just personal and to anecdotes with, oh, someone I know very close to me. Big Obama supporter, left wing democrat never ever voted and Republican or conservative and was having to sit through an HR presentation on On what is it the the not white guilt is the new one now. white fragility that’s a white fragility. And she had it she said, that’s it. I cannot take this nonsense anymore. It was a fascinating just added anecdote into the into, into and this person I would say his late 30s, early 40s and just has absolutely had it this person’s also reading Thomas soul at the moment too, which I thought was

Jason Hartman 50:31
brilliant. Yeah, I

Dr. Steve Turley 50:32
thought that was pretty cool. So, so I, things are dynamic. And the thing to keep in mind is that globalism requires and liberalism in general requires a modernist conception of the world for it to continue. And what we’re finding is that modernist conception is breaking up and liberalism is breaking up that Cultural Marxism is breaking up into tribal isms. And you’re going to find I think, increasingly That whites and blacks are going to be forced into kind of different almost this new form of segregation. But now on black terms, it’s a very fascinating thing when BLM first formed in 2015, I think it was the University of Missouri, when they were first coming out after the whole, you know, Michael Brown situation and Ferguson, one of the fascinating things that emerged from there is re segregated dorms. They demanded that the dorms be segregated according to race orientation programs reset, segregated.

Jason Hartman 51:32
That’s such a terrible idea. Why is it to become friends? I mean, my best childhood friend was African American, of course, and, and, you know, don’t you want people to mix and like, isn’t that the point of multiculturalism?

Dr. Steve Turley 51:47
Exactly. And this well, multiculturalism was modern, you say and it’s unraveling. Now. What’s trying to hold it together is civic nationalism. 90% of our nations are poly ethnic and civic nationalism has a flag and it has a national anthem. And it has all these wonderful civic symbols that hold our country together in a unified culture. Even though we may be of multiple ethnicities, generally, there’s a dominant, you know, ethno cultural tradition in there. But at their cultural traditions tend to be net positives. I like to point out to people that the last 20 years of sumo wrestling champions have either been Bulgarian, Estonian, Polynesian or Mongolian, Japan 20 years without a sumo wrestling champion, they ended that that

Jason Hartman 52:38
about your country in 70 years, they don’t have any children.

Dr. Steve Turley 52:41
Granted Now granted, that’s something

Dr. Steve Turley 52:43
now the country without people period.

Dr. Steve Turley 52:45
Exactly, exactly. Well, one of the things we’re finding in Europe is sort of the resurgence of for lack of better term going to these pro life sentiments that are going on where, where abortion is being highly restricted and People are actually being subsidized for having families, Hungary’s doing this poll is doing this Russian Russia big time, and they’re reversing their demographic decline, majorly. As a matter of fact, if I recall, Hungary has seen a 40% spike in children just in the last 10 years since they started instituting that, that supplement that practice. And so what you’re, I think what you’re seeing is you’re seeing nations having to come to terms with the fact that look, if we’re going to be really, really good to be modern, and we’re gonna be hip, and we’re gonna think, you know, nation doesn’t matter. Culture doesn’t matter. Identity doesn’t matter. We can all just be consumers and live in one big glorious, you know, global mall, they suddenly realize they’re not going to have a nation anymore. They’re not going to be a people anymore. Italy is finding this out. And so what you’re seeing is again, a backlash a postmodern backlash, that saying no nation culture, custom tradition are important is what gives our lives meaning. meaning and purpose. And no, we don’t have white privilege, we have what’s called inheritance. And inheritance is something we want to pass down to our children because we believe it’ll give their lives meaning and purpose as well. That backlash is stronger than ever. And I think that’s this clash that we’re seeing. That’s going to play out into November and through the foreseeable future.

Jason Hartman 54:24
fascinating stuff. You know, about 20 years ago, I wrote an article for a trade magazine called the monologue media versus the dialogue media. And remember, this is before social media, but it’s interesting to see how this has played out two decades later. And basically, my thesis was the right side of the political aisle, the conservative side controlled the blogosphere and talk radio. And the left side of the spectrum controlled the one way media, the monologue media, whether it be newspaper publishing, Yeah, I know. There’s an op ed page, big deal. But you know, largely it’s one way, you know, book publishing, television, you know, anything where you can’t really call in and question ideas, okay, was controlled by the left political side, but where you could call in and challenge the host of the talk show, for example, or you could write a comment on a blog that was controlled by the right. And the the thesis was that the ideas on the right side of the spectrum could withstand the scrutiny of debate. But on the left side, like look at Air America, the old left wing radio network, it just totally collapsed. Like no one was interested. Okay. You know, I guess people don’t want to hear Rachel Maddow hating everybody forever, right. They want to actually hear some solutions. And so it’s just kind of interesting how that developed. And the left has really had to kind of get attack together and mobilize its army. And they have, you know, to combat this marketplace of ideas, which is natural happening on the internet but now you know they control the big tech companies and right they’re just exerting their their muscle everywhere you look. But it’s so really weird time we’re living in. What are we going to look back at Steve wrap it up for us?

Dr. Steve Turley 56:14
Well, you go I do I think we’re ready to see 2016 in particular as as the Flashpoint when when things really began to to change. The right and left category started to change. The left began to unravel in many ways into kind of a NEO tribalist, ethno nationalism. The rights as we know it today turn more into a civic nationalism, defending our nation, our culture, our customs, our poly ethnic traditions and the like. And in the end, I think it’s it’s going to go the way of civic nationalism, I think we’re going to win I do think, especially with the demographic revolution that’s going on among conservative religious, particularly creative We’re seeing, for example, predictions that there’ll be over 300 million Mormons in the United States by the end of the century and 300 million Amish at the end of next century, along with a massive boom of evangelicals. So we’re going to become more and more traditionalist. And there was a joke in there somewhere in the United States, it could be evangelical Mormon and Amish. I know there’s a joke in there. I haven’t figured it

Jason Hartman 57:27
doesn’t feel that way to me, but okay,

Dr. Steve Turley 57:30
you’re right, right, right into again, its demographics. So it takes time, it’s micro minutes watching a kid grow. And and then they’re just going to be some fixed points and flash points. We go, Wow, things have changed. So I think, I think, no, come November. We’re going to be very surprised with the result there. And I think we’re gonna continue to see

Jason Hartman 57:51
last time we were to because, you know, the Trump voters just they just got sick of being shouted down by haters and they just went in and voted. They shut their And they plan it

Dr. Steve Turley 58:00
out. And it’s only gotten worse since 2016. Right.

Jason Hartman 58:03
Right. That’s That’s true. And listen, I mean, if the democrats can’t put up a better candidate than Joe must be kidding me. I mean, you know, like, I can understand if you hate Trump, right, right, since Okay, he offends people. And I wish he would stop doing that. But, you know, kill Biden, I mean, for people. That’s just crazy. It’s hard to talk about an old white man and all the Democratic candidates for old white men older than Trump.

Jason Hartman 58:36
Ironic, Steve, give out your website.

Dr. Steve Turley 58:39
If you go to Turley talks, my lasting try talks.com and they can also check us out on YouTube just punch in Dr. Steve Turley

Jason Hartman 58:49
or Steve Turley. Thanks for joining us.

Dr. Steve Turley 58:51
Thank you, Jason. My pleasure.

Jason Hartman 58:57
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