In the first part of the show, Naresh joins Jason Hartman to talk about Porter Stansberry’s podcast, the real estate market in Pittsburgh and Buffalo, and why rental properties may not be a good idea right now. Then, he welcomes 2016 candidate Mark Everson who shares why he’s running for the presidency. His policies, he believes, closely match the American public’s desires and promises to uphold the constitution and restore the pride we once had for our nation. He also gives out his website, markforamerica.com, where he explains his positions on key issues.
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Jason Hartman 1:03
Welcome to the creating wealth show. This is episode number 554. Thank you so much for joining me today on episode 554. Our guest today is Mark Everson, presidential candidate, former CEO of the American Red Cross, and former, you’re gonna love this, IRS commissioner. Wow. I don’t know that he would ever be too, too popular of a presidential candidate being the IRS commissioner but I don’t know maybe he was a really lacks laissez-faire type. Or maybe he was like a, you know, nail nail these taxpayers type who knows, but we’ll see what he has to say in a few minutes. But first for our intro portion of the show. I have gotten Naresh with me. And Naresh has not been on the show before I don’t think. But he’s the guy who actually launched Porter’s stands berries podcast, and he’s been working with me for a few years now. And we appreciate his help and booking guests and coordinating the show kind of behind the scenes work. It’s great to have him here today to be the Aaron Brabham of the show. But he’ll be a better one than air and I’m sure Naresh. Welcome.
Naresh 2:10
Thanks so much, Jason. Thanks for that intro. And I actually I think I was on your show maybe two years ago. It was it was a while ago, we made some interesting predictions.
Jason Hartman 2:18
We did okay, okay. Sorry. I don’t remember that. But so you know, it’s interesting. I mean, Porter Stansberry’s podcast when he was doing it. Now, he doesn’t do it anymore. He just does a for sale podcast, not a free one. And he always complained about how he wasn’t getting paid to do the podcast. And I’m thinking Porter, the whole point is you’re getting all these newsletter, subscribers and people buying all your products. You know, what are you complaining about? But you started his podcast. Tell us about that. How long ago was that?
Naresh 2:45
So that was about four years ago, in the fall of 2011. It was right after the end of America infomercial, which I’m sure many of your listeners and you have watched before. It was pretty much right after that Porter realized that people actually wanted to listen to him, not just read his stuff, but listen to what he wanted to say. And they So as a result, he wanted to launch a radio show because podcasting back then was still kind of new, not a lot of people listened to it. And he didn’t know much about it. So they they contacted me, found me online actually got in touch asked me if I could help with the production and promotion of the radio show. Radio didn’t work out, we switch to podcasts. And six months after we launched that podcast. He was getting a ton of listeners and he was actually making a very good amount of money. So it’s funny. Porter says that he wasn’t making any money, but the actual podcasting network itself was making a really good amount of money. We we launched that. I moved up to Baltimore, I was living in North Carolina at the time moved up to Baltimore to manage that project.
Jason Hartman 3:58
Now, let me ask you a question before you go on. So you went to Duke University. So you were in Raleigh, Durham, North Carolina, right?
Naresh 4:05
Yep. I was in Raleigh, Durham, North Carolina. It used to be one of my favorite areas.
Jason Hartman 4:08
Did you go to Duke for your undergrad and your master’s degree? No, it was just for graduate school just for grad school. Where’d you go undergrad?
Naresh 4:15
Undergrad? I went I was in upstate New York at Syracuse University. Oh, Syracuse. Okay, another good school.
Jason Hartman 4:20
So what were your two degrees? And I’m curious. I mean, I’m not curious. Actually. Sorry. I’m not curious. I just want the listeners to know. Should rephrase that.
Naresh 4:28
Yeah. So my, my master’s degree that was I went to Duke Business School. So my focus was on general management. And, and then undergrad, I actually had three different majors. I was kind of, I just love to learn and take classes. So my majors were broadcast and digital journalism, finance and accounting. So my background is heavily in media and in business and finance.
Jason Hartman 4:54
Yeah, well, that’s pretty good mix that for today’s world. I think so. So anyway, so you moved from Raleigh Durham, North Carolina, you moved from Duke, and you went up to live in Baltimore? Yuck.
Naresh 5:08
Yeah, it was. It was an experience. Let’s put it that way. I was there for almost three years.
Jason Hartman 5:13
And by the way, sorry, Baltimore listeners, you probably already know this, that it’s not the greatest place. Of course, there are nice areas in any place. But, you know, that’s where Agora financial is. I mean, not a lot of I mean, they’re dispersed but a lot of Agora financials there. And so that’s where Porter Stansberry is and yeah, anyway, Okay, go ahead.
Naresh 5:30
Yeah, Baltimore. I don’t know if you do any, if you’ve ever looked into real estate there, but
Jason Hartman 5:35
I have extensively, I’ll tell the listeners about that sometime. But yeah, go ahead.
Naresh 5:39
Well, it’s interesting, because it’s a very dilapidated city, it’s kind of dark and dreary. There’s a really clear disconnect between the haves and the have nots, really high crime as many people saw the the riots about four months ago. But it’s also I don’t know if you knew this, or if your listeners know this, but Maryland, has has the most, or it’s the richest, not the richest state, but it has the most amount of rich people and rich is characterized as people who make more than $250,000 or more. It’s so it has the greatest number of richest people in the country. And but most of that is is either suburbs of Baltimore, or the DC area, suburbs of DC in the Maryland area. Living in Baltimore was definitely an experience it. I’m happy I went through it. I’m happy I got that experience. But now I live in Tampa, Florida. And I have no regrets about moving out of Baltimore.
Jason Hartman 6:36
Yeah, yeah, I think that would be a definite upgrade, you know, weather-wise and area-wise and crime rate, right, wise. But yeah, just to answer your question. And, you know, we should talk about this on a future show more extensively. But I’ve looked into many East Coast areas quite extensively. There are a lot of rehabbers, who, you know, they buy these like row houses, and some are, you know, one family houses, and they call them two and three family and four family houses. But you know, we call them duplexes and for plexes and triplexes. And, you know, they rehab them, and they’re really old. And, you know, they do some interesting stuff. And there was another company that I was checking out, oh, gosh, this must have been four years ago, who was advertising extensively on XM radio or Sirius? I think that was right about the time they merged. And it was like, I would listen to Bloomberg News on satellite radio. And he was like, every commercial break, I heard this company advertising like crazy about these, these deals in I think they were in Baltimore, somewhere back there near there, at least, but I’m pretty sure it was Baltimore itself. And it sounded so good. It was like too good to be true. I think I actually may have recorded the commercial, you know, you gotta be quick on your, on your smartphone when you’re driving, you know, record that. But I think I actually may have played it on the air A long time ago. And I called them and I checked out their deal. And I was like, this just sounds way too good to be true. I remember doing some like heavy due diligence on it, talking to the people. And figuring out what the scheme was, I don’t want to call it a scam. A Scam is like a blatant thing. But you know, it was kind of like, you know, I poked the holes in it. I believe I talked about that on an episode a long time ago. And it was just kind of interesting what they were doing. You know, I bring that up. But of course, can’t remember the punchline for the listeners. Sorry, listeners, I don’t recall what the punchline was to that story. But it was there, I think you could probably find it. Oh, by the way, that reminds me, we have a new search engine on the Jason hartman.com website that hopefully will make it a lot easier for you to search. It suggests things more like the way you know, Bing and Google do. And it suggests them based on search algorithms and all kinds of stuff. Anyway, we put this new search engine in just maybe two weeks ago. So check it out, go to Jason hartman.com. Try our search feature. Again. A lot of our podcasts are transcribed. I can’t say they all are because they’re not. It’s our goal to transcribe all of them. That’s very expensive, especially when you talk as long as I do to do all that transcription, but it’s in there. And you can search things I think, a lot easier. By the way listeners, we’d love some feedback from you on the new search engine. Because we looked into that and looked at many different products. And there are some others out there. If you think that one’s not that great, then let us know we always appreciate your feedback. And we do really take it into consideration. So that’s there and you can search for things like that. But But yeah, you know, I just never really found a way to make any of those areas work in the in the northeast. We looked at Pennsylvania extensively. You know, I used to live in Pittsburgh when I was a little kid for a little while. Yeah, and then my family’s from upstate New York. certainly familiar with many of those areas but never worked for us.
Naresh 10:03
I’m curious to know why you haven’t been able to make a place like Pittsburgh or Buffalo work. I’m just curious to know why. Cuz you’ll find tenants, finding tenants isn’t
Jason Hartman 10:16
What why do you compare? Why do you compare Buffalo to Pittsburgh? Whoa, that’s a stretch. But okay, what? Did you just happen to mention those in the same breath? Or was there a real reason?
Naresh 10:29
Yeah, I guess bigger cities located near huge city. So Pittsburgh is like three hours away from Philly and Buffalos about four hours away from New York City. That’s why I put them in the same sentence, but just curious to know why you haven’t been able able to make it work,
Jason Hartman 10:45
You know, the regulatory climate, the rent to value ratios? Just, I don’t know, we just, you know, for various reasons, some of which also is finding a provider that we really like and trust. And, you know, we’ve certainly been disappointed a few times over the years, with providers, you know, that’s that it’s all like a blend of those things. I can’t really give you much more specifics than that. But we’ve just never found anything that really made a lot of sense to us. So, and speaking of which, maybe this is a good segue in a little bit of a segue into the oil Boomtown areas, because same is true there. And your old boss, Mr. Porter Stansberry was promoting this as like, utopia, right? Well, maybe not that far. But tell us your thoughts on that.
Naresh 11:35
It’s funny, because maybe three years ago, you and your listeners might have remembered this was right before the election of 2012. There was a big promotion, Stansberry did Porter Porter Stansberry data about how Obama would be elected to a third term, third term. And the the big secret, they were saying why he would be elected to a third term,
Jason Hartman 11:59
Cheap oil.
Naresh 12:00
Cheap oil, specifically because of this boom, in in shale. Boom in shale not not not Bustan shale.
Jason Hartman 12:09
Yep. And by the way, let me comment on that. So you know, it was just a, you know, sort of scammy marketing piece Obama’s third term, he never really meant, just in fairness to him, he never really meant that actually, Obama would have a third term that was just like, you know, great sales copy to get attention. He meant that it would be like Obama’s proxy, it would be Michelle would be Biden, it would be eric holder. God, I can’t stand Eric Holder, that guy wouldn’t trust him as far as I can throw him. But you know, that it would be it would be that like a proxy for Obama, because America would become so rich. And it would just be such a boon to the economy with cheap oil. Now, the interesting thing about that prediction, let’s spice that up a little bit, because it’s kind of well as true. It’s true and false at the same time. And by the way, listeners, I want to say Harry dent has been on the show several times, was recently out with a prediction. And his prediction was that oil would go down even more to $32 a barrel. And that would wreak havoc on the economy, because it would put so many, you know, oil related businesses out of business or hurt them very badly and hurt their stock. But what’s interesting about Porter’s prediction is that so, you know, oil has gotten cheaper, and I believe that by the way, before I even heard it from Porter, I was predicting that and you know, I had that one guest on my show. I can’t remember his name, but he’s the guy from Dubai. Jawad Mian I think Yeah, yes, Jawad Mian Yeah, really interesting guy. And by the way, our next Well, our upcoming venture Alliance trip is planned for Newport, Rhode Island that is going to be phenomenal. Because of the fall foliage, we’re going to time that I think just perfectly. And then we’re gonna tour the Newport mansions, five star dining, and we’re gonna actually do some real estate stuff too. But our trip after that, we’re strongly considering going to Dubai, for the venture Alliance. And that’s just going to be an awesome trip, December January timeframe. So listeners, I know a lot of you have asked me about the venture Alliance and you’re thinking of joining, you got to join, you can always come to one event on a one time basis as a guest for $2,000. And if you join, we apply that toward your membership. So check that out, go to Jason hartman.com. Look in the product section. And there’s venture Alliance information there. But But anyway, that’s our next trip. Lest we go off on another tangent here. That’s why Dubai, but Jawad was saying well, you know, for $140 a barrel, I think is what he was saying. And I said, I don’t know oil is going down and turned out to be right. But we’ll see. So So here’s the thing about that Obama’s third term prediction. Okay, that’s interesting, is that the oil glut has happened, right? And it makes it cheaper for consumers. It’s a deflationary pressure on a lot of consumer products, of course. And that’s kind of great. But the flip side of that is what Harry dent is predicting about it hurting oil related industries. And listeners notice my yellow light warning on Houston. We certainly like Houston, I’m keeping my property there. I’m not selling stuff. But it’s, you know, we’re not promoting Houston, as you may have noticed, because we’re a little skittish about the oil thing. And we certainly never unlike our competitors, we never promoted the North Dakota real estate. Was Porter investing in that stuff. If he did he do that, or I mean, the actual real estate because I know Porter loves real estate. He talks about it a lot.
Naresh 15:51
Yes, he loves real estate. I’m not sure if he was investing in North Dakota specifically. But I know a lot of the recommendations coming from Sansbury were companies were operating in that, that North Dakota area.
Jason Hartman 16:06
So the flip side of the prediction is that these companies are going to get hurt. I mean, the exploration, When oil gets really cheap, you know, they’re they’re going to rain in their horns on exploration. And they’re not going to spend money on that stuff. I mean, they’re gonna go, you know, every, every entrepreneur, every industry even and governments act this way, too. They go for the low hanging fruit, the easy stuff, right? And, you know, fracking is expensive.
Naresh 16:34
Yes. So I actually goes right for for a client of mine, and I’ve done some a lot of research on the oil industry, and specifically how much it costs to to break even when if you’re a shale driller. And these shale drillers need oil to be in the at least $70 range 70 to $80 range to generate a profit. And so right now they’re operating at a loss. And it’s just not even like you said, it’s not even a worthwhile undertaking to continue operating.
Jason Hartman 17:06
Yeah, well, I’m sure glad even though we’ve been approached and pitched relentlessly, about promoting real estate deals in North Dakota, and we did, really, we were getting kind of they were moving the needle, we were gonna start doing that. And I’m glad we did. And I was I was always a little skittish about it. But I think that that market was definitely a bubble. And of course, everything goes in a cycle. So, you know, I reserve the right to change my mind. Okay. At any time, but right now, I’m definitely glad that, you know, we skip that our competitors, I think screwed up promoting it. And I think a lot of their clients will suffer because of that. But very interesting stuff. Well, we got to wrap up and get to our guests today, our presidential candidate guests, but just any other quick thoughts before we get to our guests, Naresh.
Naresh 17:57
So Mark Everson is the guests and I booked him he has a very storied career, as he will explain in a little bit. But one interesting thing about him is he’s probably the only qualified kind of bigger name, not huge name, but big name candidate who hasn’t been invited to any of the debates to any of the Republican debates. So he’s he’s coupled with all these all these people were running for the GOP ticket. But he that I know he’s a little upset that they’re not inviting him and he’s appealed and filed all sorts of motions and complaints with the FEC to try to get on the debates
Jason Hartman 18:39
The FEC is the Federal Election Commission and Naresh, you know, what’s what’s interesting about those debates, I remember watching a documentary a while back about Ralph Nader. And you know, far be it for listeners to think I’m some kind of right wing wacko, okay, even though I tend to pick on liberals more than conservatives, I would agree, because, you know, it’s just accurate picking. But the debates are a, you know, a scam, like, everything in life, right? You know, they they get to, they get to frame that whole thing by who gets to participate in the debates. And I remember watching how Ralph Nader was excluded, and this two party system has just got to go. I mean, it is just, that is so bad for America. I don’t know why we can’t just, you know, totally get rid of that system. Because with the internet. Yeah, we got to get the money out of the elections. I mean, I’m saying that and I’m a total capitalist, but the money corrupts the thing. It’s just got to be I I don’t know, we need to do some more shows on that. I’ve certainly done them over the years. I’ve had experts talk about that. And I just think the money is is it’s the problem. It really pollutes the whole thing, the money and the corporatized media, you know the few stations owned by giant conglomerates, the media has got to become more democratized. Although it’s heading in that direction, and the elections have to become more democratized by getting the money out of it, so I’m sure marketing person, our guests would agree with that, right?
Naresh 20:10
Oh, yeah, he’s definitely going to agree he’s gotten the short end of the stick and talking about the debates, like you said. To me, the debates, are you, it’s just a bunch of liars in front of you, and whoever can live the best usually wins the debate. So, to me, the debates are a huge waste of time. I’ve always believed that you should judge any person or in this case, a candidate based on what they do, or what they’ve done, rather than what they can say, in front of a camera.
Jason Hartman 20:40
In terms of a soundbite? Yeah, well, what would be really neat is if people could sue politicians for lying, you know, like, if they say one thing in the bait, I’m gonna do this, and then they don’t do it. There are two basic types of lawsuits. One is called, you know, a lawsuit for damages, like, Hey, you know, give us some money, right? Because you didn’t do what you said. But another one is called specific performance. Like, why can’t the voters sue the politician for specific performance, which means in real estate, for example, you know, seller says, I’m going to sell you the property, and then changes his mind and says, Now, I’m not going to sell you the property, I’m not even going to sign the deed. So you know, screw you, buyer. Well, the buyer can go to court, sue the seller for specific performance, and the court will basically order the property to be conveyed. And you know, up and down elections, or not elections, but with politicians, boy that would change the game, although will clog up the courts, for sure. But it would change the game, it’d be very interesting.
Naresh 21:44
Yeah, that’s that’s probably a long shot away. But Obama’s been sued a few times it’s ever gonna happen. But Obama has been sued a few times already for Obamacare, by individuals, and also by by by states, I believe. So there is some recourse, but not as transparent as what you just said, you know, you can’t just sue him for anything.
Jason Hartman 22:08
Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, it’s interesting, we’re going to talk about that a lot more interesting. Hey, we’re going along. So I just got to make two quick announcements, two things coming up. Number one, at the end of August, our Jason Hartman University live event, it’s in early bird level two right now. And you can still get a great deal. Also, if you write a review and send a screenshot, write a review on iTunes and send a screenshot to reviews at Jason hartman.com, we’ll send you back a promo code for 30% off for that event. That’s Jay Chou live at the end of August in San Diego, go and register at Jason hartman.com in the event section. And then, of course, our venture lions trip that I’m so excited about at the end of September, that’s going to be phenomenal. Also, you can find out more at Jason hartman.com. That’s not in the events section. We’re going to put it in there, too. It’s in the product section. We got to change that around. So anyway, you can find it though, on Jason hartman.com. Or ask your investment counselor. So let’s get to our guest Mark Everson presidential candidate.
It’s my pleasure to welcome Mark Everson to the show. He is the vice chairman of Alliant group, the former CEO of the American Red Cross, the former IRS commissioner, Republican presidential candidate for 2016. Mark, welcome. How are you?
Mark Everson 23:27
I’m well thank you for having me.
Jason Hartman 23:28
It’s good to have you on the show. So, gosh, you got some good solid experience out there in a variety of things. What got you into the race? And why do you want to be president?
Mark Everson 23:40
Sure. I think like most Americans, I’m pretty concerned about the country. I I’m 60. I’ll be 61 in September. And I think that I can remember back when we put a man on the moon and we just don’t seem to have that drive or that self confidence anymore. And you mentioned my experience. I have extensive private sector experience. I’ve run a factory of run businesses in the United States and overseas lived in Turkey, France and Zambia. And, and on the other hand, I have a lot of executive branch experience. I six years under Reagan, six years under the second President Bush, and that’s more than anybody in the Republican field. I think if we’re going to tackle these issues that we we really must confront. You need somebody who could as a complete picture of both the government and the private sector.
Jason Hartman 24:33
Yeah, fantastic. So the government and the private sector definitely. What are some of your your positions on various issues?
Mark Everson 24:40
Yes, your your listeners can go to they can either Google me m a r k e v e r s o n. Or they can go to markforamerica.com and that lays out my positions which are geared towards Our prosperity renewing our prosperity, the path to prosperity. And that would include significant tax reform, I would put in a hybrid system, putting a consumption tax on goods and services that we all would pay, that you would then be able to strip out 150 million Americans from the income tax code. If a couple is earning 100,000 or less, they wouldn’t have to file an income tax return anymore, it would return the income tax to it’s where it started a century ago, where it was just a tax on higher earners. And you’ll be able to do that if you make this change, and lower the rates from what they pay. Now, you could also lower the business rate, so we’d be competitive overseas. I also speak on my website, about the financial sector, we need to make sure we’re pumping up the community banks, they’ve been dying with too much consolidation into the megabanks, and they’ve been acting lawlessly. recklessly. So we need to hold them accountable.
Jason Hartman 25:58
They own the Senate, and why wouldn’t they?
Mark Everson 26:01
Yeah, you know, its atrocious. If you think about them, what I say is they they run the light pay to ticket and drive on. And that’s, that’s no good. It’s not working, we need to get small and mid sized businesses need to be able to get funding. And then the third piece of the economic plank, if you will, is the spending word right now the deficits have come down. And they’re they’re under 3%? Well, it’s 3%. Fine. That sounds like it’s manageable. But it’s not because we already have 80 trillion of debt. And in the out years of spending is going to creep back up. First, slowly. And then very quickly, as older folks my age group and above, draw these benefits. And if we’re not careful, if we don’t change our entitlement programs, they’re going to eat our lunch. That’s the other thing we need to do on the car on the economy. So that’s prosperity. I also talked about security. And we need to restore our security in the way we do that is we change from what the President’s been doing. He believes in Eastern, I think he’s been true to his word here. from the get go, he campaigned on the idea that well, I will deal with our adversaries, we need to chuck that and go back to the traditional system that served us well, where we say we look at our interests and the interests of our allies. That’s where we should start our foreign policy. And we have a strong military that we use, you’re careful on its use. Of course, you can’t be reckless on its use. But we can’t be in the situation that we’re we’ve been in Now, the last piece of this is about realizing our shared destiny. And I would suggest to you that we’ve lost this, this, this traditional approach to our nation. I’m I was six and a half when President Kennedy took the oath of office. He said Ask not what your country can do for you. Yes, what you can do for your country, we got to get back to some sort of notion where people are proud to be Americans, and they will sacrifice for the nation. So I’m I’m suggesting a couple things right, I’m suggesting that we put in a program of national service, which would include a military component, I’m concerned that the burden of service to the military is is uneven. I live down in Mississippi, in Mississippi, which is the poorest state in the nation’s you’re twice as likely to be a gulf air event. And if you live in Connecticut, which is the richest state, so we’re going to do that. And then on the immigration side, I believe that we need to secure the borders, absolutely. We need to put in the E verify so that people can’t get jobs here unless they’re entitled to get a job. We need to change the legal system. And then once you do this, you choke off the future illegal immigration, you’re left with the question of what do you do with the folks who are here? Not the criminal aliens, you got to get rid of them? People are committing crimes, but the folks who are contributing who are working a part of the community? What do you do about those 10 or 12 million people? I suggest that we renew our tradition of assimilation. And that we I wanted to get a path to citizenship because I’m very concerned. I’ve lived in France I’ve seen it’ll have a tradition of assimilation there. I worry that we’re not going to be able to confront radical Islam if we don’t all get on the same page and pull together. So that’s what I want to do.
Jason Hartman 29:14
Talk to us about maybe you know, some comparisons between you and some of the other candidates, especially, of course, the guy who’s stealing the spotlight and that’s Trump, Donald Trump. You know, many people have speculated that he’s, you know, he’s a setup. He’s the Ross Perot that’s meant to divide the party and, you know, really help the liberals. You know, there’s there’s just all sorts of speculation there. I don’t know about any of that. But what are your thoughts?
Mark Everson 29:40
Well, it is true, Mr. Trump was, I would say, a big city, New York Liberal Democrat. And until pretty recently, he was about, you know, down the line on all of the Democratic issues. It just 10 or 15 years ago. So the question is, what are his true positions? I think that what he’s about immigration is just atrocious. It’s a very real issue needs to be addressed, as we just said. But it doesn’t mean you can demonize immigrants. I mean, he calls Mexicans criminals, rapists, the majority of criminals and rapists. Take advantage of these horrible things like this terrible murder in San Francisco. I just tell you this. My sister years ago was the victim of a serial murderer in 1982. he happened to be a black man. But that doesn’t make serial murderers, black men, and it doesn’t make a majority of black men serial murders. I mean, what he’s done is horrible here. And it is a difficult situation slipper. Oh, I mean, what happens here? If he decides to take his marbles and go home and run on his own? That’s gonna be very difficult. And if the country ends up with Hillary Clinton as President, I, I’m not for that.
Jason Hartman 30:55
I mean, you know, it just blows my mind. I mean, it. It’s boggling that we could literally end up with a Clinton and a bush again, I mean, America, that is so unlike the original intent of America, that we would have these dynasty type families that Kennedy’s the Clintons, you know, the Bush’s controlling our public sector, that that’s absurd. I mean, I can’t even believe that.
Mark Everson 31:24
No, I think that there’s there’s great truth to that. I agree. 100%. And I can tell you, as I travel Iowa and New Hampshire, people respect, of course, presidents, both presidents Bush, and they respect Governor Bush, of course. But I don’t believe that anybody that I’ve met thinks it’s a great idea to go down that path that you’ve said that you’ve suggested we’re on the cusp of going down. That’s, that is troubling, very troubling if that’s, if that’s the best we can do. Look, I’m from Mississippi. I recognize my path is narrow. But the kids around Mississippi, they say, Gosh, that’s great. Somebody who is going to run for president, the people in the community say we need a fresh face. They don’t want retreads of the past.
Jason Hartman 32:15
Yeah, I would totally agree with you. I would totally agree with you. There’s no reason we should have this kind of power consolidated into you know, certain families who have these dynasties that’s just beyond ridiculous. So what do you think about you know, that some of the other candidates and contrast yourself with him if you would?
Mark Everson 32:34
Well, I think that where I am is I I am hopefully attractive to some of the real conservatives. One thing we didn’t talk about is, I’ve got a very clear record where I execute the laws as written, not as I might wish them to be, wouldn’t matter whether it’s chuck grassley, or Chuck Schumer, they would both say that when I ran the IRS, I called him down the middle. So you can which is I’m very concerned about what this President has done his executive branch overreach. But I do believe that if the republicans are a protocol, we need to have somebody who’s attractive to the, to the Senator, I one reason I took this on is, I’ve been in 30 states around the country, and in the last couple years, and I believe that yes, there is one, there are two sort of edges. Let’s call it the Elizabeth Warren side, and in a Ted Cruz side, but then those folks are not going to move. But I do believe that the majority of people are not as wedded to one side or the other, they are looking for reasonable policy solutions that are justified based on facts, rather than just political interest. So I think one of the things I can do is be attractive across a range of opinions, if you will, some of the positions I’ve taken. Well, I got it back. Some of the republicans would, you know, knee jerk. Just defend Wall Street. I’m not doing that. So I think that that’s an important position, or the taxes it’s a different approach.
Jason Hartman 34:05
Wall Street is the modern version of organized crime.
Mark Everson 34:09
Yeah, no, it’s it’s it’s unbelievable. Everything is Chelsea George, the big player, we need to get back to where we have a sense of confidence for small and mid sized business.
Jason Hartman 34:20
If anybody thinks they’re a capitalist, and they support big giant mega corporations and Wall Street. That’s not capitalism, that is massive cronyism, that nothing could be further from capitalism than these giant mega multinationals. They’re only capitalist in theory. Okay.
Mark Everson 34:41
Like, let me say this. One other thing that concerns me You asked where I contrast, so the other candidates, I’m very concerned about executive branch overreach. And this President has done a bunch of it. What I floated flabbergasted that the Congress gave him more power by allowing him to do that Saran deal. Whatever you think about it, and I don’t particularly like it. I think it’s very risky. But it should have come to the Senate as a treaty requiring two thirds vote for ratification. Instead, the Congress passed a law. All the Presidents do is get one third vote. He’s done. That’s ridiculous. That’s that’s a horrible thing for us to have done. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Hartman 35:21
Curious, you know, this isn’t talked about really much at all. But line item veto? Do you have any thoughts on that? Maybe it’s just not something that anybody’s thinking about?
Mark Everson 35:31
It’s been tried quite a bit, I would sign a bill that would provide that authority to the President, if it would withstand the court scrutiny. I think the main point is, you can’t be afraid to veto things. I would suggest that the too often what happens is a president of the same party will believe that he has to, to support what his party has done. I think that’s wrong. What’s your what you need to do is you need to worry about your constitutional responsibility. You’re the leader of the executive branch. This gets me to another point that I that as part of my platform, I’m running for a single term in office, I answered in two very different administrations, six years under Reagan, and six years under the second President Bush, very different administrations. But I will tell you this, it was totally consistent by year three, up and down a line. People are worried about the real act. And that’s wrong. When you get into that into that offense, or you’re in that administration, everybody up and down the line should be worrying about the country’s interest only, and not whether they’re going to move back to Seattle, or was talking to their wife or their husband say, geez, we just got here. We’re gonna have to go back to Toledo. Now. I mean, that’s ridiculous. So very important that we handle this and understand that the President’s got to call this and take care of the nationalists.
Jason Hartman 36:57
Yeah, very good. Very good. Obamacare.
Mark Everson 36:59
Yes. I think that there’s an opportunity now that it now that the President has this big victory in the quarter, by the way, I find this victory, very concerning, again, it’s the same thing he’s had all this overreach on the, on the executive powers with the immigration on it willy nilly changing the Affordable Care Act. I don’t like what the court did here. It said, You’ve got a statue that was poorly drawn, instead of sending back to the Congress, it said, in that case, the executive can fix it. And it just gives more power to the executive branch, which is dead wrong. That having been said, I think what there, we know how to make a series of changes to it, we ought to move, I’d start with a definition of what’s full time work. The fact is, by lowering that threshold, from 40, to 30 hours, whole sectors, retail, hospitality, entertainment, they, it’s gutted, the number of people who are working 35 37 hours, I’ve changed that I’d allow the insurance companies to sell across state lines.
Jason Hartman 38:03
When that debate was raging, it seemed so obvious that if we could just create a little more competition in the market and let them cross state lines, that would have been a huge step in the right direction. That’s simple. One thing you know,
Mark Everson 38:18
Yeah no, exactly. And you can say to these insurance companies, you want to sell into a second state? Well, you got to take care of the rural people to not just the cities, you could put some conditions on it and still let them let them compete, then you get a better solution. Absolutely. I do some tort reform in there. I throw that in there too. And and it’s interesting. There were people who are talking about that at the time, that if the democrats would have gotten some more of what they wanted, if it given the republicans some tort reform, but as you know, the problem of this statute is they came in by the narrowest of margins. So there’s no ownership to it on the Republican side. It’s got to be addressed. And quickly, because I think I question whether it’s meeting its objective, it’s not so much. It’s it’s not as important whether these people are covered by insurance as it is our our people using the Medicare and getting healthier. And I’m worried about the increase you’re seeing in the premiums. And in the deductibles are my indications people tell me stories, a lot of folks that have the insurance, but they’re not using it?
Jason Hartman 39:22
Yeah, that’s that line item veto for a second, it seems like that would really, really hold the president accountable. Because, you know, on every pork belly piece of pork barrel legislation, you could say, look, you You didn’t veto this or that it would just totally hold them accountable to the voters, you know, and next time around, they wouldn’t be you wouldn’t have the power of the incumbency, if they abused that line item veto.
Mark Everson 39:51
That’s right. That can be that can work. But again, I think the President should just be more willing to veto things to be going so you take these six provisions out, I’ll sign it.
Jason Hartman 40:01
Very interesting. Well, is there anything else you’d like people to know, in general a question maybe that I didn’t ask you or, you know, just anything you’d like to share with the audience?
Mark Everson 40:09
No, I think Listen, what I’m doing is I, I respect our democratic processes. So I’ve got Active Campaign in Iowa and New Hampshire. And I don’t like the idea that wall street or these big donors are trying to buy this election. And and if your folks, your listeners are concerned about this, as am I, that you go to mark for America calm, I can use their help. I can use a modest donation, I can use their email so we can reach out to them, get them to help. But it’s time for us to stand up and make some changes. I just don’t think that the traditional politicians are going to do it.
Jason Hartman 40:49
No, they’re not going to do it. Someone from the outside really needs to be in there. Because these political operatives, just, it’s going to be the status quo all the way. And God forbid we get a Clinton or Bush will even be more of it. Very interesting. Well, good stuff. Well, thank you for joining us, Mark and talking about some of this stuff. One last question for you maybe. Talk to us about that power structure around getting the opportunity to get your views out there. And the admission to the debates. What is going on there. I remember watching a program years ago about Ralph Nader and how he was excluded from the debates. What happens there?
Mark Everson 41:27
Well, I’m one of 18 candidates, that republican national committee as on their website, and totally legitimate, they recognize the nature of the positions I’ve held, I have more experience on taxes, immigration, on Homeland Security, helps create the Homeland Security Department. So that’s all very relevant to the issues that the country is facing right now. What we need to do is make sure that cnn they’ll hold the next debate, but make sure that your your listeners are in touch with them and say, Hey, geez, get this fellow on because we can’t run a system. We’re only withdraw our presidents from 150 governors and senators, or somebody who’s super wealthy, like, Mr. Trump, we need to leave room for folks who are leaders like a university president or a retired general or Admiral or a cabinet officer. We need those citizens to be able to come forth, and contest and bring forth ideas. That’s what I’m doing. And I can use it helping your listeners
Jason Hartman 42:29
Good stuff. Give out your website. One more time, Mark.
Mark Everson 42:31
Mark, M a r k for for america.com.
Jason Hartman 42:35
Mark Iverson, thank you so much for joining us.
Mark Everson 42:37
Thank you for having me. Bye, bye.
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